Showing posts with label faith. Show all posts
Showing posts with label faith. Show all posts

Wednesday, May 12, 2010

TF Chapter 6 - This means WAR!

I, again, have to question the idea of using war terminology that Colson is using to represent his religion.  This book was first published in 2008, which is well after another group of fundamentalist religious zealots used war terms and attacked Americans and others in the World Trade Center Towers.  It is as if he wants to be associated with this kind of right wing militarism.

Colson even goes on to compare Christianity to an occupying force:

His [Jesus] own ministry and then by establishing a peaceful occupying force, His Church, which would carry on God's redemption until Christ's return.
There is no definition of occupying force that allows you to include peaceful.  It is impossible.  The idea is that you install your force by, well, force.

Then of course there are the specifics of Christian history.  What was so peaceful about the Crusades, witch hunts, the Peasants' war, St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Thirty Years' war, and so on?  These altercations involve the groups that Chuck Colson's Christian foundation is built upon, and the foundation that all Christians' faith is built upon.  "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Colson goes on, dropping the military analogies, talking about bringing the Gospel to prisoners.  How the prisoners get excited upon hearing how Jesus will free you.  Then Colson talks about how people are excited when the Bible is translated into other languages, and oppressed people here a redemptive story.  This really doesn't surprise me.  People have an innate sense of justice, including babies. The oppressed want to hear about how at some point in the future they will not be oppressed and how those oppressing them will receive punishment.  The prisoner wants to hear how his "sins" will be washed away and new life can begin in freedom.  The fact the Bible tells them this will happen does not make it true.  That they, prisoners and the oppressed, want this to be true, does not make it true.

The one thing Colson does get right in this chapter is stating that Jesus was not a white Anglo-Saxon.  Jesus would have been Semitic and born in the Middle East.  He would have looked like anyone living on the West Bank today.  He would have looked something like this:


From Religious Tolerance: What did Jesus look like?

Thursday, April 2, 2009

My Story

I am going to start off saying this blog isn't always going to talk about religion, that is what the SMRT board is for. I just thought I would talk about my own personal experiences and thoughts. Today I am writing about my deconversion story.

It started back in High School. My parents are religious people have been as far back as I can remember. I grew up in the church and it was all I knew. I only went to church camps a few times, though. Basketball camp, science camp, or both usually took up my summer time. It was in junior high that I was baptized, one of the last in my age group. Two of my friends who grew up with me at the same church are now preachers. My belief was ingrained and never really thought about. It never occurred to me during these early years to question my beliefs.

In High School, one summer, I went with the youth group to a national youth convention in Tennessee. The trip was very enjoyable for me, until one of the last nights there. First there was a lot of pressure to sign these stupid abstinence pledges. I didn't want to sign it; I thought it was stupid. Why should I have to sign something why is not my word my word? In the end, I caved to peer pressure and signed it on the last day, pretty much at the last minute. One of the guys, that would become a youth minister, kept his pledge and I am fairly certain he only got married to have sex, since he dated the girl for like a month. I am only speculating on that. The pledges were only the first thing that didn't seem right to me (I did not keep my pledge I had teh sex in college).

The second thing that seemed off to me was the key speaker for the event. I was always taught that we had free will to make our own decisions, again I never questioned if free will was actually possible with an omniscient god or just an illusion. This speaker was going on about how free will only let us choose who was driving the car of life, whether it was Satan or Jesus. What he said was that we have no control over anything we do. In essence we are either possessed by Satan or possessed by Jesus, there were no other options. This seemed very wrong to me, it meant that my thoughts were not my own and that we couldn't trust anything. At this time I looked around the crowd and everyone there was nodding in agreement. I realized that no one was really listening to what was being said but just absorbing this all and agreeing because this man was touted as a great Christian man. Sheeple is such an apropos word for this kind of mentality. I left this youth conference weaker in my faith than when I started. Everyone else in the group talked about how they were strengthened by it and how great it was and how awesome the speaker was. I remained quiet.

I graduated from high school and went on to college not really considering it all again. The first couple of years at college, I didn't attend church, partied, and basically rebelled. In my third year I started going back to a church. It was a proto-mega-church. They had several services and I attended the last one. I started giving lip service to Christianity again, but was still partying with friends on every other night. This was the second school I attended; it was a junior college. I graduated from it and went to Oklahoma State University. At OSU I stopped attending church and just had a good time but this time in balance with school work and studying. Eventually graduating from OSU. My degree is in Management Information Systems and I graduated just as the dot com era crashed, so getting a job was very hard. I moved back with my parents to save money.

My parents are still religious and I consider myself to be, so I attend church with them again. I finally get a job and meet a girl who was to be future wife. She is pentacostal, yet we still had premarital sex. We marry after a couple of years and attend church together. Around the time we get married she goes through some religious zealotry and stops wanting to do anything "sinful". While I am with her, we attend church regularly. After almost 3 years of marriage she wants a divorce. The divorce sends me into my zealot stage, but it also starts the seeds of atheism in me. If it wasn't for my divorce, I would have never started messing with scammers. I would have never started watching Derren Brown's T.V. show on the SciFi channel. These two things started teaching me about how people fooled themselves.

This curiousity of how people trick their own minds got me into investigating psychics. I started to notice though that these same people who debunked psychics tended to be atheists also. For me, I couldn't accept that position, yet. I started reading Derren Brown's book Tricks of the Mind and got to his chapter on religion. He talked about how he used to be a Christian and how he started to realize that it was based on confirmation bias. He also talked about a book on the early Christian writings and why they wrote what they wrote and who wrote them. This lead me to ask the question, for the first time in my life, who wrote the new testament. Through trying to find that out and the fact my parent's church had started leaning towards creationism (I broke my parents free of creationism with the help of Kenneth Miller's books), I broke free of the spell of Christianity. It was not easy and my feelings rebelled at me several times but the facts just said this could not be as I was taught.

I am an atheist now and it was not an easy road, ingrained thoughts are very hard to break. I owe the breaking of these thoughts though to Christians, Derren Brown, Penn & Teller, James Randi, Michael Shermer, Bart Ehrman, and my wonderful girlfriend (who thinks way too much like me). I am so happy that I am getting to go this year to TAM 7 and get to meet Penn & Teller, James Randi, and Michael Shermer among many others, and I will get a chance to tell them how much they have impacted my life and my skepticism in positive ways.

Wednesday, April 1, 2009

Great people of Faith?

I was thinking the other day about Hebrews Chapter 11. It is known as the Faith chapter, where it gives great examples throughout the old testament of faith. That is the claim at least. Faith is believing without proof, in simple terms. These people it list though do not have faith, they saw and talked to God/YHWH what kind of faith is that? If I talked to God then where is my faith? I would know he exists, there would be no believing without proof because I had definitive proof, even if it is for myself alone. Examples of this same kind of "faith" in the New Testament is the Apostle Paul and all the Disciples. They all saw Jesus after the resurrection. For one of the Discples, Thomas, he would not believe until he was able to touch Jesus, according to the Bible. So why are we asked for so much more than this? If others can truly be shown before they will believe why is it so much too ask for now?

Anyway back to the list of examples of Faith from Hebrews 11.

Abel - literally talked to God
Enoch - Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
Noah - God literally speaks to him
Abraham - Again has long conversations with God
Sarah - Same
Isaac - sees an Angel when his dad tried to sacrifice him
Jacob - Besides having dreams of Angels and God, Jacob literally wrestles God and is called Israel after that which means "he struggles with God"
Joseph - given the ability to predict the future accurately and specifically
Moses - Gets to see God's butt
The Fleeing Israelites crossing the Red Sea - Besides the miracles they just witnessed with the plagues, now the water is moving aside for them
Joshua and his people at Jericho - The sun stops moving in the sky for a day also the Ark dries up the river during flood stages so they can cross
Rahab - Could be considered to have faith, she only heard about the parting of the Red Sea and how these people crushed all the other cities in the area and decided to join their side, so I see this more as defecting
Gideon - Angel visits him
Barak - Followed the orders of the prophetess Deborah who spoke to God and was leading the Israelites
Samson - killed 1000 men with the jaw bone of a donkey, and his parents spoke to God literally
Jephthah - Apparently has faith, but still insists on getting paid for leading the Israeli army, also sacrifices his daughter to God, burns her
David - is told as a young boy, by Samuel, that he is chosen by God, kills a Giant in one hit as a teenager, and later in life God literally talks to him
Samuel - God literally talks to him
the prophets - God literally talks to all of them

So of these listed you could say that Barak, Rahab, Jephthah, and maybe Joseph could be considered to have faith. So that is 4 out of the list of 19 of the great list of faith that could be considered to have faith. The first three had selfish reasons for doing what they did and Joseph's predictions could be considered a miracle so his faith is iffy at best.

This was the post that made me want to start a blog again.